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Post by voltage on Feb 2, 2007 18:44:16 GMT -5
Now I put the topic under this section, since it is political but also in my opinion and deeper problem in society, and even deeper, a personal illness. I will elaborate as neccesary, but this topic is very much an open debate. My key points being: - Homosexuality is an illness, not a 'personal choice'
- It has deep roots with sexual addiction, making it equal with a drug or alcohol addiction.
- It is biologically wrong and even if some animals do it, it still is biologically wrong.
Feel free to question my points are come up with different questions., If your going to quote scripture verses please post at least 3 verses of context.
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Post by phantomusician on Feb 7, 2007 21:28:22 GMT -5
I disagree entirely. Love is an emotion that people can't control. Homosexuality is completely natural, not a personal choice (we can agree on that I guess). But how does it equate with drug or alcohol addiction? And explain why it's biologically wrong. Just because procreation isn't possible with homosexuals, it doesn't make it a "sin," or anything morally wrong at all.
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Post by Admin on Feb 8, 2007 0:20:34 GMT -5
Now I put the topic under this section, since it is political but also in my opinion and deeper problem in society, and even deeper, a personal illness. I will elaborate as neccesary, but this topic is very much an open debate. My key points being: - Homosexuality is an illness, not a 'personal choice'
I don't know that I would classify it as an illness, but I wouldn't call it a personal choice either. I did some research on Wikipedia, and apparently there are differences in a certain part of the brain between heterosexual & homosexual individuals, both male and female. A man named Simon LeVay did a study in which ten per cent of homosexuals had differences in that part of their brain from a heterosexual. Here's what LeVay said: " ...I did not prove that homosexuality was genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain. INAH-3 is less likely to be the sole gay nucleus of the brain than a part of a chain of nuclei engaged in men and women's sexual behavior...Since I looked at adult brains we don't know if the differences I found were there at birth, or if they appeared later." But I also found that more recent studies show that the more male babies a mother has, it increasingly becomes more likely that a new fetus will be 'gay'. However, in my own observations, I think I have seen a few 'only-childs' who are homosexual, which makes me want to question that study (unless of course I misread it). So far, I've yet to see any real conclusive evidence to persuade me one way or the other oppinion-wise on homosexuality. [/li][li]It is biologically wrong and even if some animals do it, it still is biologically wrong. [/li][/ul] [/quote] Not to be rude, but can you expand on the meaning of Biologically Wrong..?
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Post by phantomusician on Feb 8, 2007 18:07:58 GMT -5
Ah yes, I've heard of that study, and of course there are exceptions to the rule, but it is theorized that the more male childs a woman has, the greater the chance of being gay. However, it doesn't work the same way for females, which I find interesting.
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Post by Admin on Feb 8, 2007 20:50:14 GMT -5
Well my question is how can homosexuality, whether in male or female, be genetic? I've seen or heard about cases where there someone is homosexual but there hasn't been any familly history of homosexuality. I suppose in some cases it could be, but is that true in all cases? I've seen a few lesbians at my school, maybe I should just ask one of them? But I would still like to believe that homosexualism is some kind of disorder, whether biological or psychological or both. In that study done by LeVay, there was a part of the brain in homosexuals that was smaller than that of heterosexuals. I believe that homosexuality is uncontrollable, but I think I am starting to agree with Voltage that it is biologically wrong. Even if in animals, it doesn't seem right that animals or humans of the same gender should be attracted to eachother. This is because females always have certain characteristics that attract males, and males characteristics that attract females, all for the purpose of mating. It is biologically impossible for a homosexual couple to make babies of their own.
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Post by Kathryn on Feb 9, 2007 3:10:12 GMT -5
Well my question is how can homosexuality, whether in male or female, be genetic? I agree, I dont see how homosexuality can possible be genetic. ('m learning about this currently in science ) By definition, Genetics is the science of genes and heredity. Genetics determines much (but not all) of the appearance of humans, and possibly how they act. Environmental differences and random factors also play a part. After examining the definition, we can see that personalities are not gentic and therefore a personality trait such as homosexuality cannot be genetically handed down to the child. Though, it is true that we built our personalities around our immediate enviroment such as our parents, cultural backgrounds, peers and media, we do not get our personalities handed down in our genes. Therefore, I believe that homosexuality is not genetically handed down. LeVay is probaly right in stating that being gay is not something that forms inside us, instead it is just feelings.
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Post by voltage on Feb 13, 2007 9:02:54 GMT -5
I disagree entirely. Love is an emotion that people can't control. Homosexuality is completely natural, not a personal choice (we can agree on that I guess). But how does it equate with drug or alcohol addiction? And explain why it's biologically wrong. Just because procreation isn't possible with homosexuals, it doesn't make it a "sin," or anything morally wrong at all. An emotion that people can't control? So, if we can't control it, then how do we drop relationships? Or decide to go furthur in one? Or get married? Have kids? Or break up, divorce? Are you saying we have absolutely no control over anything in relationships? Or would you the high percentage isnt in love.
Take a look at these percentages: Practices or Heath Issues
Having used IV drugs and less than 25 years of age Gay: 16% General: 1.5% Engaged in prostitution Gay: 24% General: 0.66% Having a lifetime STDs prevalence Gay: 70% General: 4% Percentage of Alcholholism Gay: 27% General: 11%
Median number of partners Gay: 38 per year Having a brief or no knowledge of partners Gay: 90% Involved in whipping, sadism or masochism Gay: 21% Of those with HIV, having anogenital warts Gay: 92% Of those not having HIV and having anogenital warts Gay: 76% Acquired multiple wart virus subtypes, within 17 months Gay: 75% Involved in 'rimming' (mouth to anus contact) Gay: 61% Having anal pre-cancer Gay: 18% General: 0.03% Having HIV ( < 25 years 10%, > 25 years 24% ) Gay: 21.8% Average age of death from AIDS Gay: 35.7 years Expected average life span Gay: 45 years General: 70 years
So now that you've seen evidence that Homosexuality includes a lot more sexual practices than straight relaionships, Does that mean its jsut better sex? With that many partners a year, Im guessing its addiction to sex.
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Post by phantomusician on Feb 14, 2007 17:13:18 GMT -5
Personally, one of the main reasons straight people don't have so much sex is because we're allowed to get married, and that forbids having sex with everybody. But since gays can't get married, they have that freedom (and we have to right to judge them for it).
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Post by Kathryn on Feb 15, 2007 2:41:16 GMT -5
An emotion that people can't control? So, if we can't control it, then how do we drop relationships? Or decide to go furthur in one? Or get married? Have kids? Or break up, divorce? Are you saying we have absolutely no control over anything in relationships? Or would you the high percentage isnt in love. Have you ever stopped to think about your purpose in life? Or what we are meant to do here? This hasn't been proven by science, but many scientists believe that at the back of everyones mind is something that urges them to want to reproduce- continue the species and (almost) ensure there will be a future of you childrens children etc. I believe this is a valid point. Why else would we want to make our lives and childrens lives as good as possible? Why else would we want to get married and have children with the man/woman of our dream? Why else would we care SO much about human life, that we would be prepared to do almost anything to ensure its future? Love is just something wired into our brains which gives up that warm fuzzy feeling, makes you feel like the happiest person in the world etc. We drop relationship because maybe its not right. Maybe you haven't found the right person who you feel you could spend your whole likfe with.
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Post by Admin on Feb 15, 2007 19:03:46 GMT -5
Have you ever stopped to think about your purpose in life? Or what we are meant to do here? What if there is no purpose in life. Maybe people aren't meant to do anything. Not to sound rude, but from that statement I'd imagine you either believe in creationism or intelligent design? But isn't it possible that people have no devine purpose? Maybe we just exist, just like any other animal on Earth. And just because we have the ability to reason doesn't mean that we must have a predestined mission. Of course we have the power; we can change the world (and we do so every day)... but who says we have to? (And I'm not saying we shouldn't)
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Post by voltage on Feb 15, 2007 23:28:39 GMT -5
Have you ever stopped to think about your purpose in life? Or what we are meant to do here? This hasn't been proven by science, but many scientists believe that at the back of everyones mind is something that urges them to want to reproduce- continue the species and (almost) ensure there will be a future of you childrens children etc. What does this have to do with Homosexuality as an addiction? I understand your view, and even your direction somewhat but your in the wrong topic. (no offense intended) So love is a feeling? a fuzzy thing? (will edit more in the morning)
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Post by Admin on Mar 5, 2007 20:00:22 GMT -5
Well my question is how can homosexuality, whether in male or female, be genetic? Therefore, I believe that homosexuality is not genetically handed down. LeVay is probaly right in stating that being gay is not something that forms inside us, instead it is just feelings. I'm not really sure actually why homosexuality does exist in humans. But I have found a logical reason why it exists in animals. With animals, when it comes down to reproducing, sperm competition is everything. The animal who's sperm successfully fertalize a female's egg/s is the one who will get to pass on his genes. One such evolved method is homosexuality; either for rape or otherwise. In the case that it is rape, a male copulates with another male, releasing his sperm into the male. The rapist males sperm will rest with the sperm of the rape victim male, and then when the rape victim mates with a female, the rapists sperm will also help fertalize the female, therefore giving the homosexual rapist a better chance of fertalization. The other reason for animal homosexuality is also for sperm competition. A male will make himself look and seem just like a female, attracting other males. The other males are fooled into trying to copulate with the look-a-like male which gives the male virtual free reign over fertalizing the female. Therefore in certain animals, homosexuality is understandable, as males are either seemingly homosexual for the purpose of reporduction. Or the males are fooled into homosexuality, and do not even realize that they are with a male. However, as of yet, I still have no understanding why homosexuality would exist in humans.
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Post by Paragon on Mar 21, 2007 8:37:09 GMT -5
Illness perhaps not. Roots in genetics? Possible. Regardless, homosexuals have a desire to engage in a different type of sexual activity than normal humans. Part of the great thing about being American is that we have the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and if having sex with someone of the same sex is how someone pursues happiness, what business is it of yours, and why should we try to take away that right, especially when it does nothing to hurt anyone else?
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Post by Admin on Mar 21, 2007 22:57:49 GMT -5
and if having sex with someone of the same sex is how someone pursues happiness, what business is it of yours, What about freedom of oppinion
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Post by Paragon on Mar 23, 2007 20:05:37 GMT -5
To paraphrase Mills; One man's freedom ends where another man's freedom begins.
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